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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
'''IF''' it is wired as I think it may be, by moving the red wire on the inside switch off the purple wire connection and up to join the other red wire, then the outside light should operate dependant on the outside switch only and regardless of the position of the inside switch
''REMEMBER to DISCONNECT THE POWER at the power box if you are going to change the wire position''
Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present.
''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches to overcome the problem without having to run in a new wire to replace the brown wire''
[image|1575298]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
The green line shows the current path for the power feeding the two lights i.e. you need the inside switch to be operated to feed power to the outside switch.
-The red line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one from the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch) that the power to the outside switch is now fed independent of the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
+The red line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one from the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch) that the power to the outside switch is now fed independent of the inside switch (shown by dotted line on circuit drawing)
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
'''IF''' it is wired as I think it may be, by moving the red wire on the inside switch off the purple wire connection and up to join the other red wire, then the outside light should operate dependant on the outside switch only and regardless of the position of the inside switch
+''REMEMBER to DISCONNECT THE POWER at the power box if you are going to change the wire position''
+
Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present.
''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches to overcome the problem without having to run in a new wire to replace the brown wire''
[image|1575298]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
The green line shows the current path for the power feeding the two lights i.e. you need the inside switch to be operated to feed power to the outside switch.
The red line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one from the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch) that the power to the outside switch is now fed independent of the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
+'''IF''' it is wired as I think it may be, by moving the red wire on the inside switch off the purple wire connection and up to join the other red wire, then the outside light should operate dependant on the outside switch only and regardless of the position of the inside switch
+
Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present.
''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches to overcome the problem without having to run in a new wire to replace the brown wire''
[image|1575298]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
The green line shows the current path for the power feeding the two lights i.e. you need the inside switch to be operated to feed power to the outside switch.
The red line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one from the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch) that the power to the outside switch is now fed independent of the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present.
''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches to overcome the problem without having to run in a new wire to replace the brown wire''
[image|1575298]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
The green line shows the current path for the power feeding the two lights i.e. you need the inside switch to be operated to feed power to the outside switch.
-The red line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one on the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch) to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch so that the power to the outside switch is fed independent of the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
+The red line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one from the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch) that the power to the outside switch is now fed independent of the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present.
''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches to overcome the problem without having to run in a new wire to replace the brown wire''
[image|1575298]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
The green line shows the current path for the power feeding the two lights i.e. you need the inside switch to be operated to feed power to the outside switch.
-The red line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one on the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch) to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch that the outside switch is fed independently from the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
+The red line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one on the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch) to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch so that the power to the outside switch is fed independent of the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present.
''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches to overcome the problem without having to run in a new wire to replace the brown wire''
-[image|1575289]
+[image|1575298]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
The green line shows the current path for the power feeding the two lights i.e. you need the inside switch to be operated to feed power to the outside switch.
The red line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one on the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch) to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch that the outside switch is fed independently from the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present.
''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches to overcome the problem without having to run in a new wire to replace the brown wire''
[image|1575289]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
-The red line shows the current path for the power feeding the two lights i.e. you need the inside switch to be operated to feed power to the outside switch.
+The green line shows the current path for the power feeding the two lights i.e. you need the inside switch to be operated to feed power to the outside switch.
-The green line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one on the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch) to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch that the outside switch is fed independently from the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
+The red line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one on the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch) to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch that the outside switch is fed independently from the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present.
''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches to overcome the problem without having to run in a new wire to replace the brown wire''
-[image|1575246]
+[image|1575289]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
-You will see that at the moment you have to operate the inside switch to get power coming in on the red wire to get to the outside switch so that when it is operated power gets to the outside light.
+The red line shows the current path for the power feeding the two lights i.e. you need the inside switch to be operated to feed power to the outside switch.
-If you move the red wire on the inside switch - shown by dotted line from the purple connection terminal to the red wire terminal the power will always be available to both switches so that they’ll work separately
+The green line shows how by re-positioning the red wire (the one on the same terminal as the purple wire on the inside switch) to the other terminal with the red wire on the inside switch that the outside switch is fed independently from the inside switch (shown by dotted line)
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Modifié par : jayeff ,

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present.
-''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches''
-
-
+''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches to overcome the problem without having to run in a new wire to replace the brown wire''
[image|1575246]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
You will see that at the moment you have to operate the inside switch to get power coming in on the red wire to get to the outside switch so that when it is operated power gets to the outside light.
-
-
If you move the red wire on the inside switch - shown by dotted line from the purple connection terminal to the red wire terminal the power will always be available to both switches so that they’ll work separately
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
-Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present. This is only an assumption on my part
+Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present.
+
+''This is '''assuming''' that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches''
+
+
[image|1575246]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
You will see that at the moment you have to operate the inside switch to get power coming in on the red wire to get to the outside switch so that when it is operated power gets to the outside light.
-''This is assuming that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches''
+
If you move the red wire on the inside switch - shown by dotted line from the purple connection terminal to the red wire terminal the power will always be available to both switches so that they’ll work separately
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
-Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present
+Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present. This is only an assumption on my part
[image|1575246]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
You will see that at the moment you have to operate the inside switch to get power coming in on the red wire to get to the outside switch so that when it is operated power gets to the outside light.
''This is assuming that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches''
If you move the red wire on the inside switch - shown by dotted line from the purple connection terminal to the red wire terminal the power will always be available to both switches so that they’ll work separately
PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
Hi @lizadizzle ,
Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present
[image|1575246]
(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
You will see that at the moment you have to operate the inside switch to get power coming in on the red wire to get to the outside switch so that when it is operated power gets to the outside light.
''This is assuming that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches''
If you move the red wire on the inside switch - shown by dotted line from the purple connection terminal to the red wire terminal the power will always be available to both switches so that they’ll work separately
+
+PS sorry should have added that the circle with a cross in it is a symbol for a lamp just in case you’re wondering what is it and also the symbol after the lamps is just an Earth or return path symbol - incorrect I know as it should be a symbol for the Neutral wire but it will suffice for the circuit as it operates the same way.

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious
+
+=== Update (10/27/2018) ===
+Hi @lizadizzle ,
+
+Here’s an image that shows how I think that it may be wired at present
+
+[image|1575246]
+
+(click on image to enlarge for better viewing)
+
+You will see that at the moment you have to operate the inside switch to get power coming in on the red wire to get to the outside switch so that when it is operated power gets to the outside light.
+
+''This is assuming that there is NO POWER coming in on the brown wire like it should be, maybe because it is broken and that is why the red wire was run between the two switches''
+
+If you move the red wire on the inside switch - shown by dotted line from the purple connection terminal to the red wire terminal the power will always be available to both switches so that they’ll work separately

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
-Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
+Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch for lights it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
-One active wire in (multipled to both switches) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
-
-
+One active wire in (multipled to both switch inputs) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
+
+From your description it seems as though the active wire comes into one switch and the output from that switch goes to the hall light and also to the input to the switch feeding the porch light.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switches) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
+
+
''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switches) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
-''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
+''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that BOTH lights DO NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switches) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
-'''''Be safety aware''' if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
+''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switches) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
-'''''Be safety aware''' if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal''
+'''''Be safety aware''' if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you touch them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switches) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
-'''''Be safety aware''' if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you “touch” them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
+'''''Be safety aware''' if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you “touch” them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switches) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
-'''''Be safety aware''' if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, as assuming that there is none just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
+'''''Be safety aware''' if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, before you “touch” them, as assuming that there is no power just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious

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Hi @lizadizzle ,
It appears as though there may be a wiring error.
Has it always been like this?
Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.
So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)
One active wire in (multipled to both switches) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable
-''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, as assuming that there is none just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
+'''''Be safety aware''' if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, as assuming that there is none just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''
If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious

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Hi @lizadizzle ,

It appears as though there may be a wiring error.

Has it always been like this?

Normally with light switches the ''active'' wire comes into the switch(es) and since it is a double switch it should be multipled over to the other switch in the plate. The outputs from the switches should each go to their respective lights.

So it should be that that there are only 3 wires coming to the switches. (although it may be wired differently to this)

One active wire in (multipled to both switches) and two wires out, one connected to each switch. They may all be of the same colour or not depending on how it is wired, either as individual wires or in a cable

''Be safety aware if you’re going to examine the connections on the back of the switches. Turn off the circuit breaker or remove the fuse that feeds the lights from the main power box. Then test that both lights do NOT turn on. Once you have removed the switch plate from the wall/door (watch where you place your fingers or tools), then use a [https://www.jaycar.com.au/smart-test-screwdriver/p/TD2055|test tool -example only] to make doubly sure that there is NO POWER on any of the wires, as assuming that there is none just because the lights don’t work may be fatal.''

If this seems overly cautious it is, call an electrician if you have any doubts at all. Life is precious

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